they are hammering the fact that there is not enough in terms of tax revenue. that there is too much in terms of spending cuts. also limited detail as you noted about those spending cuts. another thing republicans leave out raising the nation's debt ceiling which would be coming due again early next year. jay carney says all of this means it's a nonstarter. take a listen. >> it is entirely unacceptable to it have a repeat performance of what the american people washed with horror in the summer of 2011, which was a willingness by a minority of the overall assemblage of lawmakers on capitol hill to hold the american economy hostage, to threaten default on the american economy. >> the bottom line tonight is that white house officials are telling me unless john boehner admits that basically the president won the election, and that, in fact, taxes have to go up, in terms of tax rates have to go up on the rich, the president is prepared to see the nation go off the fiscal cliff, shep. >> shepard: what's the thinking on whether they can actually come together at some